Thursday, January 12, 2006

The New AI Forum

Feel free to use this space to discuss the show American Inventor. I never had a chance to audition, but I know people who have and have been following the audition suspense on Mary's invention site. Now that it is closed, I hope this place can become the forum for you all to discuss your hopes and dreams. About making it on the show, and about your inventions in general.

Cheers.

302 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I copied the entire forum history from Mary's site if you want it. Let me know.

Thu Jan 12, 11:51:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh I could use that... hmmm but I would want it untraced. It got real interesting once people started writing about their callback experiences.

Thu Jan 12, 08:19:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thinkdifferent, thanks for starting this blog.

Thu Jan 12, 08:19:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

No problem. I now have the entire history from Mary's site. Yes, it makes very intersting reading, and I am considering posting it here. I would like to hear what you guys think about posting it. I wouldn't want to compromise anyone who had written and may now regret it. So for now, I'll keep it in the file drawer. When the show starts, I'll probably pull it out.

That said, it doesn't mean people can't comment here. Just be sure to use a name that can't clearly be traced back to you. Or choose anonymous.

Let's get talking.

Fri Jan 13, 07:37:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI -
COPIED FROM TRIBES SITE

Wed, January 11, 2006 - 10:09 PM
American Inventor -Round 2 ????

American Inventor - Round 2

I audition in SF in Nov. I know now that I will not be moving on to the next round. I know this because I received a call on Monday from AI congratulating me on making it to the next round. I received my 30 page packet today in the mail to complete and return. Before I was even able to complete the paper work. I received another call from the casting director earlier this evening. She explained that they have made some casting changes. Something about taking the show in a different direction. She thanked me for my effort and politely said I will no longer be advancing on to the next round in Hollywood. As you can imagine I was very disappointed to have just received the long awaited call and then for them to change their mind so quickly. I will not let this discourage me from developing my product. I just felt the need to share this with the others that may still be waiting for the call.

I have just learned that others have received similier calls today. I'm not really sure what is going on but I do know it is very frustrating!!!!

Fri Jan 13, 07:40:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Steve said...

Thinkdifferent,

Please add my blog to your links.

www.mousetrapsclub.blogspot.com

It for all inventors... not just those that auditioned for AI.

Steve

Fri Jan 13, 06:14:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just found your site, had been following Mary's for a while. First off, congrats to anyone who has made it. Second, it amazes me at the lank of info out there about what's going on. I auditioned in NYC, haven't heard yet, probably won't. My idea was patented, I'm not sure how many others were, and compared to some of the ideas that seem to have made it, I think it was more commercially viable on a mass retail scale. But hey, that's just me. I wish I understood more about the process - maybe next time around I would pitch my products differently.

I hope others find this site and start a new conversation. I miss hearing what's up from Mary's site.

Mon Jan 16, 06:18:00 AM PST  
Blogger Steve said...

Hey Anon, drop me a line at decknet at gmail dot com ...

(Of course do the substitution of the @ and the . before writing to me.)

Steve

Mon Jan 16, 08:41:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Post the whole Mary's web site thing here, just make every entry Anonymous. Why not? Who could stop you? I don't know why the conversation isn't more active. Think about the thousands who spent 10-12 hours waiting in that AI line. I can understand why people would not want to post at Mary's web site - because it forced you to leave an email. This Blog is proper and it allows people to speak their minds (known or anonymous) Question - Does this site even get web traffic?

Wed Jan 18, 01:54:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Not enough. I just recently started it after following the AI discussion and knowing some who auditioned. That's why I understand the need for being ANONYMOUS.

As far as posting Mary's entire history, yes, it would be easy for me to post it anonymously. But... it might hurt Mary. Or others who have made it through to the 2nd round. And I don't think that would be very fair.

Personally, I would love for more people to come here, and use the anonymous feature to share their info. There is no way for me, or anyone else to track it as far as I know.

And hopefully, the guys at ABC will become more proactive in then creating a forum on their own site, so they can help us all out with what's going on.

Thu Jan 19, 10:09:00 AM PST  
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Thu Jan 19, 06:14:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HA! That's a hoot. You don't know about me... they sent mine by US Postal 2 day.

Thu Jan 19, 06:37:00 PM PST  
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Thu Jan 19, 07:21:00 PM PST  
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Thu Jan 19, 08:17:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Message From The Producers of American Inventor.

Everyone who auditioned for the show signed a confidentiality agreement. By discussing the show on this blog you could be in breach of that agreement and seriously jeopardize your position in the competition. If you are a finalist please stop discussing anything about the show. Below is a statement from our legal team. Please read it and take it seriously.
*******************************
By signing the Participation Application & Release, participants have agreed to keep all aspects of the competition and the production of the series confidential, which includes anything having to do with selection of contestants, the audition process, the format of the show, or anything else involved with the show. This specifically includes any information concerning who advances in the competition and who does not. Failure to uphold this obligation puts you in breach of the Consent & Release and releasing the information could cause the producers substantial damage. You will be held legally responsible. Furthermore, any disclosure of information could result in your immediate dismissal from the show.

The Producers

Fri Jan 20, 12:17:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Wow... it looks like this site got the attention of "the producers". Well, I guess it was only a matter of time after Mary's site, Tribes site and a few other links disappeared. Of course, I don't quite understand how those who have made it on the show are allowed to say so on all their personal websites. But, whatever.

Ok.. so here's the deal. I don't want any of you bloggers, anonymous or not, to ruin your chances of still making it on the show. As well, I don't really want anyone ruining the show in any way. I'm an inventor too. I to am still chasing the dream of seeing my inventions in the marketplace on a mass scale. And frankly, I think this show could help lots of people, and "inventors" in general.

Of course, I also believe strongly in Freedom of Speech.

That said, I deleted a few posts that had to do with how to figure out who has been selected. I you missed it, oh well.

So here's the deal. And a bit of advice. Don't reveal confidential details of the show if you've been selected. Don't point people towards which inventions have made it or not. If you signed an agreement, stick to it. Anonymous or not.

Now for the Producers. How is it you think people, including yourselves have found this site? Inventors, the people who make up the basis for your show, the people who auditioned, travelled, spent money etc chasing their dream are searching, desperately searching, for any info they can about what's going on. Mary's site rocked. People got info. It's interesting that Mary was then chosen. Nothing against Mary, but, um... flavored lipsticks been done. Google it. You get 981 hits.

So did they invite her to the party just to quiet her site. Hmmm. It's probably better off, because if she did sign the agreement, she might be in violation. So where am I going with this?

Apparantly, people email "the Producers" nd don't get any returned messages. There's clearly no changes to the ABC homepage for American Inventor. And there's never been any clear sign that if you haven't been called back by "XX" date you haven't made it.

I imagine, just that last simple piece of info would go a long way. Waiting is a painful thing. Especially when you're waiting to see if a dream may come true. So help these guys out. Let them know, here, on your site, wherever when the auditioning will be done.

The word is, call backs to LA are at the end of January. Maybe that's changed. Whatever. Create an updates section on your homepage and you'll likely feed the need just enough until the show breaks. You might even drive future traffic.

Ok.. that's enough. I've got a new idea to write up. It's a reality show about bloggers.

Fri Jan 20, 02:01:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here are a few facts about American Inventor. Please note that I am not an inventor, nor did I audition for the show. The following information is not confidential to American Inventor.

1) All callbacks have been completed, and travel arrangements are underway for all selected inventors to be in Los Angeles on January 30. American Inventor is paying for the shipping on all inventions too large to be taken on a plane.

2) "Reversal" callbacks were made to *all* inventors who violated the signed agreement by posting information about or a link to their selected invention. Additional "reversal" callbacks were made to any inventors whom the producers simply changed their minds about after a second analysis.

3) The nine finalists chosen for the show will be chosen and notified by Sunday, February 19. The $50,000 prize awarded to each of these inventors will not be given as a lump sum, but will be distributed in four separate (unequal) amounts to aid in various aspects of the invention process. All of this money must be used for the invention process--none may be retained for personal uses.

4) The one winner chosen to receive the grand prize of $1,000,000 will initially forfeit all rights to his/her invention in exchange for the cash. Once the product has surpassed $1,000,000 in profits, the rights to the invention will be returned to the inventor, and all future royalties will belong to him/her. If the invention fails to bring a profit of $1,000,000 when it comes to market, American Inventor will accept the loss.

Sat Jan 21, 07:41:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2) Reversal callbacks - made to all who violated. False - just check out http://www.jimmybed.com/

Sat Jan 21, 12:58:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm... if the info isn't anonymous can someone please point us in the direction to find out if it indeed true. By my accounts, #4 is wrong. The rights do not return to the inventor once it has reached one million dollars. Actually, the inventor grants an exclusive worldwide license in perpetuety (forever). In return, they continue to receive royalties. But... that does not mean they have rights to their invention. AI can do what they want with the invention, market it, sell it to whover, and the inventor has no say whatesover. That's the idea behind a license. Check the AI website. Download the app and read the legal. It's all right there.

It's nice to hear that they'll take the advance against royalties as a loss. But, that's not stated anywhere in the contract. It siimply says, one million dollars advance against royalties.

I believe point #1. #2 not so much. That would mean that guy with the new rollerblade type skate would be gone. He's done tons of PR.
Same with Mary. Sorry. And a dozen others.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see the truth.

Keep on blogging. Keep on inventing.

Sat Jan 21, 01:26:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Information worth knowing about

http://www.milliondollaridea.tv/index.html

Sat Jan 21, 08:02:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This site is dull, but I am sure it will pick up once the initial travellers to LA get eliminated, 90% of them will.

They will be sent home packing.

Then once the show starts this will be an interesting place to share thoughts about the selected inventions. Call it a roast by their peers.

Wed Jan 25, 02:52:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another inventor spotted:

http://vermonttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/BT/20060118/NEWS/601180325/0/FRONTPAGE

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060118/NEWS/601180325/1003/NEWS02

Wed Jan 25, 03:34:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks! Let's see what he tells us.

There were 300 inventions called back. The inventors will be flown to LA on the 30th, they will have two minutes in front of 4 judges. It will be taped. Then 40 of the 300 will be called back for three weeks in February. etc.

Oh, and he must have a problem with his Christmas Tree falling over each year.

Wed Jan 25, 04:11:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have all of the inventors been contacted for the next round?

Wed Jan 25, 05:42:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's one that got a call back, and then a "sorry, we changed our mind"www.showertan.com

Wed Jan 25, 08:00:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought only 40 inventors were being called back to L.A. It is hard to believe they would fly 300 inventors to LA$$$

Wed Jan 25, 09:30:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pure speculation but I agree - I think it's less than 100, and they probably already know which ones are really promising, and which are just for show. So maybe they take 70 or something like that now for re-auditions. Then 30 to 40 of them are told on camera "you're going to Hollywood" or something like that. Then those all come back later to be featured on the first non-audition show, where they'll quickly narrow the field down to 9 . . .

Wed Jan 25, 10:04:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did not receive a call on my invention, so with that said, can I legally discuss my audition and product (invention)?

Thu Jan 26, 09:45:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good question. The warning from the producers says, finalist. If your product is protected you can mention it anywhere, anytime. If you want to provide inside information about the show, then I suggest you cannot discuss that. Besides what's not already know about round one auditions? That stuff is boring. What's interesting is the goals of inventing.

There should be a clearing house web site for the wash outs. - like - www.InventorWannabe.com

Thu Jan 26, 11:11:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In reference to these articles:ughh...

http://vermonttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/BT/20060118/NEWS/601180325/0/FRONTPAGE

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060118/NEWS/601180325/1003/NEWS02

No offence to the inventor, I think it's a decent idea - although even he admits he didn't want to submit one of his better ideas, but what is AI thinking. I thought they were looking for highly marketable, mass consumtion retail products. This is a niche product at best.

I was in the NYC auditions, I didn't get selected, and I saw what I thought was a VERY cool new christmas tree stand. I won't go into the details about it. I'm speculating they're going to try to find a bunch of different products in the same category, say Christmas novelties, and the during the first round of "auditions" cut from one to the next to the next.

I also saw a bunch of beach products. And there were tons of bathroom cleanliness solutions. If you were in NYC you couldn't miss the guy who lugged in the toilet seat. Plus, a few extreme sports type things.

Here's what I don't get. If the contract specifically says not to give away any of the details of the show, like who is moving forward. How is it these guys can go online and give interviews and promote their products and websites saying they are moving forward? Isn't that in violation?

I mean, if I was on the show, and knew I was moving forward, would it be ok for me to create an awesome viral campaign that gets people to vote for my product as soon as they see it on TV? The PR alone might be worth it.

I'm looking forward to watching this show, and finding out more stuff. Frankly, I don't think hinting at what type products are moving forward hurts the show. In fact, it just builds momentum. I do think revealing which products have made it, either in a blog, or by the inventors themselves, might hurt the show. Or hurt the inventors in the long run.

Only time will tell.

Fri Jan 27, 08:16:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

During my audition Liz came out of her chair and yelled when she saw my product. She told me "not to show the product outside AI" and "I had the best presentation so far". After hearing these statments from Liz I did not enter the Modern Marvels invention contest that was due by 12/31/05.
By-the-way I am still waiting for my telephone call from L.A.

I agree with the earlier comment "I thought they were looking for highly marketable, mass consumtion retail products." What is AI thinking?

Fri Jan 27, 11:30:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a feeling, that the show isn't as organized as it should be. And... perhaps, good ideas are falling by the wayside for one reason or another.

These guys saw nearly 4000 products. In NYC we only got to see one principal judge, and an assistant. In LA I heard everyone presented to all 4. Seems better odds with more people to like your idea.

I also think... they are going to choose inventions based on good TV, not necessarily the inventions merit. But, didn't we all kind of suspect that anyway?

Fri Jan 27, 11:52:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With American Inventor we (the family and friends) concluded that some "Hollywood Suit" wanted the show to be more of what they perceive to be "entertaining" & that in their world this means something like "Fear Factor" or "Beauty and the Geek". They had an opportunity to "take the high road" & create some quality television programming, but they choose the "low road" to go for cheap laughs. I am willing to bet that this will be the case with this show & we can verify this when it airs.

I just watched "American Idol" again for the first time since the first season & it is definitely a "low road" type of show. I think they nixxed any truly quality entries [for American Inventor] in favor of some crap to mimic American Idol.

So goes the ways of Hollywood...it's a REALLY CRUEL business. They have dashed many a person's hopes and aspirations. Don't depend on Hollywood to be successful!! :)


* A cancelled callback *

Fri Jan 27, 12:53:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is interesting to me that because your callback was cancelled, you have concluded that they are taking the low road and the show will be crap...Perhaps you would like to share your invention with us and let us decide wether AI made a mistake or not...I have a feeling if you were going to the next round you wouldn't be writing all these accusations. Someone that has also worked for years to develop their product may benefit from this show. Let's be happy for them...sour grapes are unattractive.

Fri Jan 27, 01:08:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know something, you are right. Words written in haste are poor examples. Call it pent up anger, a lack of perspective, or mental confusion.

For me the show audition was a very frustrating experience because of the extreme high of the CONGRATULATIONS! and then a few days later the low of, "you have been cancelled, due to a change in the shows direction". Please accept my apologies for acting so harsh, it really is not my norm. Anyone who put up with this the audition process deserves full credit for the effort. The hope that this show can be a positive thing should be given a chance. Sour grapes... thats a good analogy. I am sorry I said those things.

Fri Jan 27, 01:34:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand that it was a very frustrating situation and I do accept you apology. Not that you had to apologize, I just thought it a bit shortsighted. I do think that we already understood what Simon was about when we signed up...Dont loose hope cancelled callbacks. Many an inventor persevered and made it happen. :) You will make it and until then we will be happy for those who made it on AI.

Fri Jan 27, 02:39:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Here's what I hope. I hope that the show is a huge success. I hope the inventor, and top 9 that win, don't get screwed in the end. I hope that the little guy inventor becomes a hot commodity, something that big companies can use to their benefit. Just imagine Kmart having an entire aisle dedicated to new inventions. Or Target showcasing the invention of the month. Kind of a Sharper Image within the store. We all love those "as seen on TV" products right? Or at least kind of. And we all wish we could have our products right up their on the shelves next to them. Maybe, just maybe this show will help.

I hope this gives more inventors front and center exposure. I hope a bunch of people who don't make it as finalists get enough PR to make more than the million AI is going to give.

I hope the show, as it airs, is NOT an exact rip off of THE MILLION DOLLAR IDEA who is suing them for stealing the show idea, exactly.

And, I really hope, that whoever wins, isn't some 12 year old. Just because.

Fri Jan 27, 05:18:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, is this the weekend the callbacks will be traveling to Los Angeles? I see they changed the offical web site.

Fri Jan 27, 05:23:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not sure that you can accurately say this is a ripoff of Million Dollar Idea. Frankly, it looks like an exact copy of American Idol with a different subject matter. The format is similar even down to "simon like" judge. Since the same company produces Idol, I would think it would be very hard to prove that they had stolen the idea from them. Perhaps Million Dollar Idea is a copy of Idol! I read their site and I know that is what they believe, but the can hardly take credit for the format of judges picking and then the public voting...that is the main thing complaint that the formats are so simiar. As far as the name, American Inventor is more of a rip off of American Idol than Million Dollar Idea, although I do with the underdog well, if they had much of a case I don't thing they would be moving ahead with AI. Let's be fair about this although it is a great story to root for the underdog and they seem like great people I am not sure they can claim the format belongs to them really....And if AI is successful then I am sure they could sell it to NBC or CBS as competition. You know how all the networks copy any succesful program. Perhaps they are looking at this the wrong way.....

Fri Jan 27, 07:01:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

woah..I should have spell checked that! I type too fast when I feel strongly about something. I assure you that I can spell...:)

Fri Jan 27, 07:04:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know anything, about who the judges are? TV personalities? Other past inventors like Ron Popeil (Ronco)?

Fri Jan 27, 07:08:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we need a "cancelled callback" support group, seriously! After the first audition, I figured I probably wouldn't get on the show and really didn't care much; the fun and excitement of it all had made it worth the time and effort for me, no matter what happened. I went in believing, and still do, that my invention is highly marketable, but I also thought making the show would be a long shot.

Then, out of the blue, the call came in, and it was like Holy Crap! Holy Crap! Holy Crap! I couldn't think about anything else for several weeks. . . . . until the make me want to cry cancel call :(

I don't have any issue with AI taking the show in a different direction; that's certainly their perogative. I just wish I knew what that really means. I like to think, as suggested above, that they realized there weren't enough marketable inventions that also had entertainment value, so they opted to persue only entertainment value and took some inventions out to replace with more entertaining ones. But of course I realize that's just selfish wishful thinking and is most likely way off base.

I feel really bad for everyone who dealt with this super rush / busted bubble ride, but in one way it makes me feel a little better that at least I wasn't the only one. Maybe the group could start a website called www.AlmostAmericanInventors.com, in the hopes of getting some publicity of our own. If this show gets really popular, ET, Extra, etc. will be clamouring for scoop material!

Any other canceled callback stories out there? It's OK - you're not alone.

BTW - it's great to see this blog picking up!

Fri Jan 27, 08:17:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK INVENTORS WHAT IS OUR NEXT STEP? HOW DO WE TAKE OUR PRODUCT TO MARKET WITHOUT AI?

Fri Jan 27, 09:54:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060128/ENT/601280321/1025/LIFE

This article names one of the A.I. judges, and points to his web page.

Sat Jan 28, 07:50:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.peterjones.tv/index.cfm

This site lists another of the judges. Click the "News" button, and then click "What I am Going To Do"

Sat Jan 28, 08:05:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NEXT STEPS? HOW DO WE TAKE OUR PRODUCT TO MARKET WITHOUT AI?

Hmmm.... Good Question. How about a quick web page that lists each rejected invention with a single picture, descriptive paragraph, a note about "where we are" in the process, and what we are looking for (i.e. investment, distribution, etc.), contact info, pointers to our own specific web page, etc.

We would "open" the web page AFTER the show has ended, so that it doesn't breech confidentiality or spoil the show for viewers.

I bet we could get a press release and several newspaper articles about the web page, then hope that viewers and other interested parties come to visit.

www.rejectedamericaninventors.com anyone?

Sat Jan 28, 08:42:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A web page like that is a good idea. Higher up in this blog I mentioned www.InventorWannabe.com but I decided to go with the below instead.

Did you know that Fremantle Media already does something like this for American Idol?

Check out:

http://www.IdolUnderground.com


I own the URL of:

http://www.InventorUnderground.com

Once I have it ready for inventors that want some exposure I will let you know.

Sat Jan 28, 10:22:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

COUNT ME IN. I AM READY TO MOVE MY PATENTED PRODUCT OUT OF THE CLOSET AND INTO THE LIGHT.

ATLANTA

Sat Jan 28, 01:07:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Way to go. That's turning Lemons into Lemonade!

Sat Jan 28, 01:22:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GREAT JOB on getting the URL.

www.inventorunderground.com it is!

Count me in. I have been to the second round in LA, but was eliminated.

I would be happy to pay you a small fee via pay pal (i.e. $10-$20) for your time in putting the web page up and entering everybody's info.

We'll keep our eyes on this blog!

Sat Jan 28, 01:29:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Wow... this blog is starting to get some action. I'm glad I started it. I love the idea of an inventorunderground type site. Moreso than rejected american inventors... a little too negative. Although, good for PR.

Way above in the posts I mentioned AI ripping off the million idea show. I wasn't saying they DId. I'm saying I hope they didn't rip it off exactly. Unfortunately for AI, it appears they tried to originally sell the show with the name "Million Dollar Idea". Um... I don't know, but a little research would have been a good idea if that was the case.

Anyway, keep on inventing. Keep on blogging. I've got to go.
And when that website... or a new one I'm building is up for Inventors to go to... I'm sure this show will have inspired many people to go to it.

Sat Jan 28, 01:50:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great Idea! In the meantime, let's here some suggestions on how the website will work for the seeker of new products and for the inventor, user friendly. Set the patended products up by categories? I'm just throwing out suggestions. Think outside the box for marketing techniques.

Any out there?

Sat Jan 28, 05:02:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great Idea! In the meantime, let's here some suggestions on how the website will work for the seeker of new products and for the inventor, user friendly. Set the patended products up by categories? I'm just throwing out suggestions. Think outside the box for marketing techniques.

Any out there?

Sat Jan 28, 05:02:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry for the double click.

Sat Jan 28, 05:03:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Question: Should the web site fully display and describe only patented and patent published items? Then for those who are not patented they can display and describe just enough to let a potential angel know what direction the invention is going into. Along with contact info.

For this to be successful it needs to be a grass roots effort. The Inventor Forum is the place to chat and InventorUnderground.com is a place to advertise.

Sat Jan 28, 05:24:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

I would be careful of displaying ideas for products that have not yet been protected. And remember, patent pending means you better apply for the patent within one year or you will lose any rights to your claims. (I'm pretty sure that's how it works.) As well, I believe once an idea has been openly presented to the public, if it is not protected, it becomes public domain. As was hinted at in the AI legal disclaimers.

I do think a little one line teaser might work. But still, if it's a truly unique product, but one of those, "why didn't I think of that" ideas... I would keep it to yourself. Ideas are way to easy to copy, or work around. That goes for patented products as well. And who has the time or money to defend a patent. You're looking at a minimum of 50 Grand for a basic patent infringement suit.

I have a few thoughts about an engaging inventors website - if I don't end up creating one myself, I'll share my thoughts.

Keep on blogging. Keep on inventing. And spread the word about this forum. I can't believe it's already at over 50 posts.

Sat Jan 28, 05:40:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THINKDIFFERENT -

You are somewhat correct.

Anyone can file a PROVISIONAL patent with the US Patent and Trademark Office. It only costs $100, and it does not require a lawyer. However, it does NOT get reviewed by the patent office for patentability. They only keep a record of it as proof of invention date. Once you have a provisional (USPTO will send back a confirmation) you CAN use the text "Patent Pending".

You MUST file a "real" patent (usually a "utility" patent) within one year of the granting of the provisional, or you will lose all of your rights. This requires a lawyer and will be expensive ($2K - $8K, US protection only). This "real" patent may not issue for YEARS (average is about 14 months) and you can use the text "Patent Pending" during that entire time.

I am not a lawyer, but I have a few "real" patents and a few provisionals (tick tock tick tock!)

p.s.

Bend your mind around this:

http://www.halfbakery.com/

This is a web page where people post ideas and HOPE that others steal them and make products. Since they are posted in a public place before being patented, NO ONE can EVER patent them, because they were in the public domain. So, any budding entrepreneurs out there can take these ideas and turn them into a business. Knowing full well that someone else could do the same.... However if your manufacturing company is nimble, and you have a powerful method of guerilla marketing, you could make a mint from some of these ideas. (NOTE - some ideas here are pretty fanciful/absurd, but some are quite good.)


:-)

Sat Jan 28, 07:38:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOVE:
...let's hear some suggestions on how the website will work for the seeker of new products and for the inventor, user friendly. Set the patented products up by categories? I'm just throwing out suggestions. Think outside the box for marketing techniques.

MY THOUGHTS:

1. Marketing... every inventor contact their local newspaper, television station, radio station, etc. and tell them about the site. Usually local paper business sections are dying for short stories like this.

2. Marketing... every inventor go to www.prweb.com and write a quick press release about THEIR invention, AND point to our main www.inventorunderground.com site. This costs $30, and works pretty well.

3. Should it be limited to ONLY people who auditioned for A.I. (about 2000) ? ONLY people who made it to the first round in LA (about 200)? ONLY to people who made it to the second round (about 40)?

4. For the seeker of inventions??? I think it should just be one big long single web page.... like a really long blog! This works if we keep it to under 500 people. Otherwise we make a few categories (Household, Automotive, Outdoor, Pet, Bathroom, Tools, etc.) and let inventors choose up to 3 categories to be listed under. One category could be "As Seen On ABC's American Inventor"!

5. I am happy to pay a small fee to keep my listing in the site. i.e. $20, as was suggested above.

6. As for the Inventor... there could just be a "web form" with several FIXED SIZE boxes to enter text, contact info, URLs, photos, etc. Click Submit, and the "article" posts. Probably would require a moderator to review each submission, because you KNOW there would be some 12 year old boys with some nasty things to post.

Hey guys... this could be big.

If you went to LA or one of the city auditions, call the other inventors you met and send them to this site.

:-)

Sat Jan 28, 07:50:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EARLIER COMMENT: "I thought they were looking for highly marketable, mass consumtion retail products."

I saw some of the products that were chosen in LA, and several were NOT in the above category.

Sat Jan 28, 07:54:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why not make it a site where you have to register. Have part of the registration be a confidentiallity agreement. Allowing others to help each other with out disclosing to the public, and this allows you to still get a patent.

Sat Jan 28, 08:22:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For more information on the product, I recommend that the inventor has the capabilities to post a 2.5 minute video on the product for others to review.

Sat Jan 28, 09:37:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think the inventorunderground web site should have much more than a simple description and a link to the inventor's web site. Keep it simple, let it act as a hub.

Sat Jan 28, 11:09:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

I think this general idea is great. Having an area to show video of products would be awesome, but takes a lot of bandwith. Of course, you could have a link that opens a pop up window to a secondary site, like zippyvideo.com where the video could be hosted for FREE.

Categories are a great idea.
Maybe there's a rotating invention of the day that could be highlighted.
And pointing PR to the site in mass is also a great viral technique. Timed right with the launch of the real AI show would be perfect.

FYI -www.asseenonai.com is currently taken. brilliant. I hope the inventor who created it makes it on the show. the marketing angle alone seems worth it for AI to move the person forward.

but hey, i'm not really sure what they're going for... but it looks like the person who has the site also auditioned. it links immediately to another site.

keep on blogging. keep on inventing.

Sun Jan 29, 08:15:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with comments about "keep it simple".

www.inventorunderground.com should be a hub to POINT to our individual pages. Each inventor can then decide to host a video, etc.

I strongly DISAGREE with comments about forcing viewers to electronically "sign" a confidentiality agreement. I know that the former R&D manager at our company would NEVER sign a confidentiality like this... it might jeopardize some work they are already doing. For instance, if I had invented a powered dish scrub brush, and someone from Procter and Gamble came to visit the site, but they were ALREADY were working on a powered dish scrubber (they actually released one) then THEY could be sued by me when their product released. Yes, it could go to court, and they could prove that they were working on it ALSO, but it is just too risky for them. Also, what prevents people from registering under a false name?

If you cannot spend the $100 for a provisional patent, and you are worried about someone stealing the idea, then you shouldn't post.

This is soooooo exciting....

Sun Jan 29, 11:00:00 AM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

I know of a site that is currently in the works. Similar to InventorUnderground it hopes to capitalize on the AI phenomenon, and help hopeful inventors. The site is in development as we speak.

I can tell you this. There will be no need for nondisclosure agreements. That's too complicated in the web environment. There will be an attached blog for dialogue. A true forum's page if all goes well. A tool to capture and share any videos of your inventions or PR pages of your inventions. Think of it as an inventors host page. A tool to get exposure and share insights into inventing.

I'm going to shoot an email to the friend who is working on this site and see what he thinks about changing things a bit to help
AI hopefuls. I think it might be a way to get this thing off the ground in time for the AI premiere. And it certainly would be good PR for his site if he's into it.

Any thoughts if I should give this a shot. My friend is an inventor, as am I, but he's a web guy so he has the means to make this thing potentially work.

Of course, this shouldn't stop anyone from doing the same thing. The more sites the better. In fact, I think they should all link to each other somehow. Just as I will link from this site to whoever creates something worthy.

Keep inventing. Keep blogging.

Sun Jan 29, 12:49:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just so everyone here knows, there are a lot of lurkers. I auditioned in Atlanta (no call back) and I can't get enough of this chatter. I probably won't be posting much but love to read. I am all for the website for the inventors and I would absolutely participate. Keep up the good work guys.

Always watching!

Sun Jan 29, 04:58:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone earlier mentioned about contacting the local news media once the website is up & running. I recommend that if a news media is contacted for publicity then the contact person notify the website so that other inventors in the same area can have equal time promoting his/her product as the contact person.

Atlanta

Sun Jan 29, 05:38:00 PM PST  
Anonymous NYCinventor said...

I figured some who auditoned would be lurking and/or enjoy the anonymous feature that blogs like this allow for. I auditioned in NYC. Never got a call and have also been following along here. Now that I've been eliminated, I think it's a great idea to create a place for the could've-been-huge people to display there ideas. And I agree with the person who suggested that the idea at least have a patent pending before being discussed.

So, here's a question. If season 1 finishes up by summer, do you think they'll have a season 2 lined up for the November sweeps? That might mean a more thought out, longer audition process for late summer.

I certainly hope so. And I hope I gain a little insight from whoever decides to write here. Contestant or not.

Sun Jan 29, 06:32:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Question to my fellow inventors.

Do you like having all the comments in one post, or should I break them out into different categories.

For example:
Start one section of blog for inventors questions. Where fellow inventors could offer advice to newbies.
Another section: perhaps this one, can continue with the AI string.
And another might be a place to post cool links they find.

You know what... I'm going to start it and see what happens.
Let me know if you don't like it.

Sun Jan 29, 07:04:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems to me that we are talking about, and in fact really need, two different websites.

The first would be completely directed toward AI fans and would highlight all the inventions that were at the AI tryouts but didn't make it. If the show is successful, there will be tons of fans that would love to browse such a site, and I'm sure the media will eat it up if it's promoted properly during AI's run. This would be a great way for all of us to get some publicity. I imagine it set up as a listing of entries, catagorized in some way. It would allow any inventor that tried out for AI to load a brief description of their invention, a website link, contact info, and maybe a few pictures - like the hub concept mentioned above.

The other, much broader site need is for an inventors community site, where any inventor can go to look for help or to contribute to other inventors. It could have discussion forums, links to articles and other inventor resources like financing or prototype manufacturing companies, and all the other great ideas mentioned above that would fit.

Of course, we can all have suggestions, but whoever actually attempts to set up the site will be able to do whatever they want. . .

Sun Jan 29, 08:33:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

I like the hub site. I like a secondary inventor community. And I think somehow they will all interconnect. I agree... whoever actually sets the site up in the end will be able to do whatever they want. Hopefully, they'll take the suggestions of fellow inventors.

Mon Jan 30, 06:59:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want you all to know I am listening and working behind the scenes to integrate as many features as possible while still making the web site quick and simple to navigate.

Thanks

http://www.InventorUnderground.com

Mon Jan 30, 09:43:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

InventorUnderground is ready for submissions. The goal of the web site is not to undermine the Invention Shows such as American Inventor or Modern Marvels. The list will not contain details about your status within the show, until well after the show has aired.

You are welcome to put information of that type on your personal website. It is an accomplishment to audition for a network program and you should be proud of the fact. A third page will be added to the web site and it will contain the list. I will post it when as I have 15 or 20 submissions. I hope that the posting fee is appropriate, you will have one month FREE and you can pull your posting after that time if you feel the listing is not helping you.

Now regarding advertising. This whole concept will not work without you (the individual). The web site depends on word of mouth. If we manage to build 200 members on the list, then we should have 200 people sending emails to others, mentioning the site to newspapers, blogs, discussion groups and /or submitting it to search engines. Let's get the word out to viewers and inventors alike.

Oh, and yes I will be posting my invention web site within the first 15 to 20 submissions.


http://www.InventorUnderground.com

Mon Jan 30, 04:04:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Wow... got the site going already. I understand the need to charge. Heck, if I get my site off the ground as quickly as yours, I'd do the same. But I think you might want to wait until we know what the site will offer. I mean, if I register today, my FREE month might be up before there's much on your site.

Now... if you gave the first 20 inventors to sign up 6 months free... or something like that, I think you would start driving traffic.

As well, I think you might want to create a special section for AI auditioners. That show has the most hype, and I think the bulk of people coming here are from there. Just a thought.

Sometimes, in marketing, finding the right niche is the trick.

Mon Jan 30, 04:06:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GREAT JOB Mr. Anonymous!

I'll be posting my invention today!

The owner of www.inventorunderground.com is correct that we ALL need to contact the other people we met at A.I., and we ALL need to contact local newspapers, etc. Don't violate your A.I. confidentiality, and don't ruin the show for the viewers, but PLEASE get the word out.


:-)

Mon Jan 30, 04:07:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Another thought...
Don't send emails out to the press until the site, and membership is robust enough.

Mon Jan 30, 04:08:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good point, pulling yourself up by the bootstraps isn't easy.

-- Mention this Blog and the first 30 people who sign up will have 6 months FREE --

That includes those who have already signed up.

Several invention development companies are are wanting to buy small banner advertising spots. Legit companies. None of those, "We will market your invention types". I think everyone will like these advertisers.

Mention of the inventors involvement in a televised contest should happen only after the fact. Since it has not aired I will exclude it from the published database for now.

The list will not publish until the list reaches 30.


http://www.inventorunderground.com

Mon Jan 30, 07:01:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

question... has anyone ever used adsense in google blogger. Should I ad it to this blog?

Mon Jan 30, 07:38:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

ADD... NOT AD.

Mon Jan 30, 07:50:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This blog is great! I have been referring people to it. Just finished the 2nd round and I can say it was tough. I was eliminated as was the ten to twelve inventors with my group...all with great inventions. The judges know what they are looking for... but still a many disappointed folks. I am not disappointed because if the audition airs we will all have a 2 minute commercial that many of us could never afford.

My message to all the inventors who didnt make it: You are a winner. Your product may not have fit what the AI judges were looking for, however, there is a place in America for your product. Together we can find that place. This is not the end of the road, but the beginning.

Keep pressing on!

Mon Jan 30, 09:41:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Congrats to all those lurkers who auditioned and either made it through to the next round, or didn't, but got a free trip to LA. And... potentially some awesome exposure.

And thanks for your comments on this blog. If anyone has any suggestions they can write me at: thinkoutsidethecircle@gmail.com

If people suggest relevant links, I will include them in the sidebar.
Or perhaps, inventorunderground and I can work something out where I feature the inventor of the day in the right column.

I think it could be a cool feature of the new site that's being created. I had this idea of a roulette wheel... spin it and you land on the random invention of the day. There could also be a highlight section.

inventorunderground - email me.

later.

Tue Jan 31, 07:33:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In less than 24 hours, InventionUnderground has experienced 300 unique hits/files. The number of submitted inventions are 15 - half way to the goal. This shows there are already many people lurking at this blog. Great job ThinkDifferent. The level of interest in this blog's content will of course SOAR once the AI show begins to advertise.

I hope more inventors will choose to continue promoting their concepts. After all, isn't that what they wanted from the show?



http://www.InventorUnderground.com

Tue Jan 31, 01:38:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there an anonymous blogger out there that went to LA and advanced that would tell us what general category their invention is in?

Tue Jan 31, 03:19:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Posted 14 hrs ago.

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/jan2006/sb20060130_727793.htm

Enjoy, oh and you might like to post a message there too.


http://www.inventorunderground.com

Tue Jan 31, 04:20:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

awesome. 300 hits. Is there a way to track blog hits/

Tue Jan 31, 05:02:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not that I know of, but the only place InventorUnderground was known of was from here. So I imagine this blog has at least the same traffic or probably better. Good job! It will only bet better and more interesting once inventors get their 15 minutes of fame.

IU

Tue Jan 31, 09:18:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Wed Feb 01, 04:42:00 AM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

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Wed Feb 01, 07:15:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No word from Mary at her web site.... what do you make of that?

Wed Feb 01, 08:21:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you ever wonder how many people visit your blog, or where they come from? Well there are services you can install that can tell you all about the traffic on your site. They range from simple hit counters that just display a total number of visitors, to more advanced statistics services that can give you information about referrers, browsers, visiting times, and more.

There are a number of sites that offer free services to help you track visits to your blog. You can do a Google search to find them, or you can start by checking out some of these links:

* Site Meter
* Bravenet Hit Counter
* Re_invigorate
* FreeStats
* Easy Hit Counters
* StatCounter

Wed Feb 01, 11:40:00 AM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

check out the counter. oh yeah!
thanks for the info.

Wed Feb 01, 02:47:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This sight is going to be big! Good work!

Wed Feb 01, 03:30:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're welcome, I found it at:
http://help.blogger.com/

Lots of good info there.

IU

Wed Feb 01, 03:37:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By request, I have started the listing of inventions.

http://www.InventorUnderground.com

Wed Feb 01, 06:45:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the popsci link - great article! I can't wait to try them!

Wed Feb 01, 10:14:00 PM PST  
Anonymous An East Coast Inventor said...

INVENTOR UNDERGROUND is going to be great! And I love this blog. Thanks THINKDIFFERENT for starting it. You guys should figure out a way to work together so you can both reap the benefits of the eventual exposure and site traffic. You definitely should link back to one another somehow.

Love the listings already. It would be cool if there was a place for a thumbnail next to the listing to see the product if we were to submit it to you.

It would also be cool if AI the show hooked up with you guys somehow - to show their support for the little guys trying to make it out there.

Lastly, I'm going to choose other and tell you my general whereabouts. I think it would be cool if people started loggin in, posting comments and saying they're from... West Coast, East Coast, South, or LA, NY Metro.. etc. It would add a real flavor of who is checking out this site.

Thu Feb 02, 07:17:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was going to add a link to this site,but that's so old fashioned. Someone look at the site now and let me know if this works better.
Notice when you bookmark it directly. I hope I have done this blog a service.

Thanks.

http://www.InventorUnderground.com

Thu Feb 02, 08:06:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JUDGES ARE NAMED BELOW:


http://www.realitytvwebsite.com/news020206d.html


February 2, 2006
RealityTVWebsite.com

Simon Cowell´s Reality Series AMERICAN INVENTOR Announces Premiere Date

The ABC Television Network announced premiere dates for new reality tv series AMERICAN INVENTOR.

On Thursday, March 16, AMERICAN INVENTOR, an exciting series from Simon Cowell and the producers of AMERICAN IDOL about the biggest search ever for America´s best new invention, will premiere with a special two-hour installment from 8:00-10:00 p.m., ET, and will air from 9:00-10:00 p.m., ET, as of Thursday, March 23.

AMERICAN INVENTOR´s panel of expert judges include: Doug Hall, an inventor, bestselling author and radio host, and also the founder and CEO of Eureka! Ranch, an inventing, training and research firm; Ed Evangelista, one of eight Executive Creative Directors at the New York headquarters of JWT; Mary Lou Quinlan, Founder and CEO of Just Ask a Woman, one of the premiere women´s marketing companies in the U.S.; and Peter Jones, one of the U.K.´s brightest young entrepreneurs and venture capitalists.

Hosted by Matt Gallant, AMERICAN INVENTOR is produced by Simon Cowell´s Syco Television LLC and FremantleMedia North America, Inc.

Thu Feb 02, 08:44:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I need help.

I'm looking to build out my website - I have the URL and the free info block they give you. It's registered through Yahoo. I have a mac.

Any suggestions of a FREE or cheap service to get a professional looking site up quick, with some visuals, maybe some flash animation, and maybe even have ways for people to purchase my invention (in the future).

I need a web based formatter because I don't have all the software on my computer.

As well, if there was a way to hook the site up with banner ads, etc... to generate some income down the road, it would be a nice plus.

Thanks to my fellow inventors for any help you can give.

Thu Feb 02, 09:27:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, From the "Business Week" link above... Simon was interviewed saying 10,000 inventions??? I Didn't realize there were that many. Going by contestant entry numbers, I thought there was only 2000 to 3000 total.

Thu Feb 02, 11:58:00 AM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Don't believe the hype. I believe there were around 5000 total. But if a few of those inventors presented more than one idea... you could be close to 10,000 "inventions"

Thu Feb 02, 12:05:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope "Inventor" isn't judged like "Idol". "Idol" is judged on raw talent. How do you know if an invention is a money maker or not, if you don't know anything about that particular field? I hope the judges have some time to review each invention ahead of time. Time to learn and research any of the particular fields. Then they could tell if each product was Actually going to be a million dollar profit idea or not.

Thu Feb 02, 12:13:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

To.. anonymous... (anonymous NY? LA? help us out here)

First off... I think the really big ideas are the one's that knock you over the head. The "why didn't I think of that" ideas. The duhs... So those ideas will make it through.

I do wish there was some component of "raw talent" included in the show. Can the inventor think on their feet? Come up with a new invention on the spot? Help their fellow inventors on the show? If they do... would it hurt their chances if they make someone elses better?
(You getting this AI show lurkers? Maybe next season.)

I think the group of judges have awesome cumulative experience judging good ideas, right from the first second. It's what they do for a living. They're exposed to those ideas either from the product side, venture capital side, marketing side etc. I agree, they might not be experts in a certain area - but if the area is so specific that the common person may not immediately "get it" perhaps it's not a "mass" audience appeal product.

I mean, I don't need to know the specifics of bacterial infections to know that I might be interested in, say, a self sanitizing toilet seat. Or a bandaid that changes colors to remind you it's time to let the wound breathe. (I'm making those two examples up, so bare with.)

Here's what I can gauge so far.

They've got an executive creative director from JWT, which means there will be some marketing/ad angle to the show. No product can do well without good advertising. And, as we all know, there's the infomercial stage of this show.

Doug Hall from Eureka ranch (fortune 500 companies pay big money to get "inspired" at his ranch) so he can judge and leverage each idea to it's fullest.

"Peter Jones is fast becoming one of the UK’s best known entrepreneurs thanks to his £200m-turnover business Phones International Group and involvement in the BBC’s Dragons’ Den. But it was his deal to bring Red Letter Days back from the dead that raised most eyebrows."

FYI -
The Dragons' Den is a series where entrepreneurs pitch their ideas to secure investment finance from the Dragons... elite business experts. Here's the link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/

I'd bet good money that there will be a "wacky inventors and inventions" week or two. After which they'll do the cutdown. Maybe some contest to see if they have the chops to make it in the business. Then romance each of the survivors - find out a little bit about who they are etc.

I agree, it's hard to know whether a product will fair well in the marketplace. But... begin with a good idea, do some focus group testing, hone the product, and then get some HUGE PR behind it... like say, a multi-million dollar TV show and it would be hard not to make money.

Sorry for the long blog... occassionally I like to ramble.

Thu Feb 02, 02:58:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FYI..

Doug Hall is the "Simon" of the group. He is raw...puts down almost every invention in a way that made most of the inventors verbally attack him during their exit interviews.

Peter Jones listens intently and gives feedback that will encourage you to continue on your journey even if you are not what the show is lookig for.

Ultimately if Doug Hall doesn't like your invention, he argues with the others to persuade them to believe with him.

The show, at least the audition portion, is being shot in a warehouse in South Central LA. Six of the eight inventors who auditioned in my group said they would not do it again because when they went before the judges, their inventions were belittled and humiliated. These were serious inventions. Most of us wished we received the reversal call or better yet no call at all. In the words of one of the station hands, "This is Hollywood...your feelings do not matter nor does your product...the only thing that matters is ratings and drama drives ratings". Another inventor said he felt like bait and switch.

Every inventor is very passionate about their invention. They should never be made fun of...even if you do not understand their product. One Inventor said he woke up at 1:00 in the morning after his audition and wanted to leave LA and even called the airlines. He could not help but think that he was going to be the laughing stock of America when the show airs. One of the judges broke his invention and during the exit interview they kept asking him how would his mother and father(who was recently deceased)feel if they knew he did not make it. He broke down and cried on camera...They told him to look at the camera and tell the judges just what he think of them. He did.

The rewards for the winners are high, but the price paid by the inventors not selected are even higher.

Thu Feb 02, 03:56:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This blog keeps getting more interesting every day. Once the show starts to air ( Reuters info out there says "new entry "American Inventor" from Simon Cowell. "Inventor" will start March 16 with a two-hour episode starting at 8 p.m." )
I am sure many others will air their opinions and experiences as well, dispite the silly paperwork signed.

Thu Feb 02, 07:11:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who has 5 million dollars to dispute that silly paperwork?

Thu Feb 02, 08:03:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR AI TO AIR, QUESTION? I HAVE A U.S. PATENT BUT FAILED TO PURSUE AN INTERNATIONAL PATENT.

THE REASON I DID NOT PURSUE THE INTERNATIONAL PATENT WAS THE U.S. MARKET SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH $$$ TO MAKE, SO WHY WORRY WITH THE INTERNATIONAL MARKET. WAS THIS A MAJOR MISTAKE? ALSO, TRYING TO CONTROL THE EUROPEAN MARKET WOULD SEEM TO BE IMPOSSIBLE.

Thu Feb 02, 10:41:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AGREEING WITH TWO POSTS UP...

I saw LOTS of crying in LA. Men, women, old, and young.

I certainly didn't get my allotted 2 minutes, nor did I get any postitive business feedback from the "experts". At least Ed was polite. Doug and Peter both took me out at the knees.

It was VEEERY clear by the inventions chosen from my state that they were after ENTERTAINMENT much more than the next really great "thing". I too got up the next day and went straight to the airport.... took a standby flight home.

Hopefully they will be able to take a "high road" by the end of the season, but the first four episodes will be filled with the "blooper" reel.... us.

Thu Feb 02, 10:45:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the businessweek.com article below.....

Note that they took the time and expense to FLY a woman, AND her CHILD CAGE, all the way to LA just to tell her no.

If they were REALLY looking for good/great inventions they would have filtered out all the crazy people.

--------------

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/jan2006/sb20060130_727793.htm

How does the show work?
A panel of four judges will see about 1,000 people, then narrow that group down to 100. They walk in and present their idea or invention for two minutes. That [group] is winnowed down to nine. Each is given $50,000 to develop the idea, and the panel decides which three are the best.

The American public picks the final winner. The winner gets $1 million, their product will be manufactured, and they'll get a deal with a retailer to sell it. Like Idol, it's the American Dream, but along the way there are lots of crazy people with outrageous ideas.

Like what?

Anything from a race track for cockroaches to a stick to beat off a bear if one should encounter them on the way home. We had one woman who said she wanted to save every child -- her product was a cage. We've got the wacky, the weird, and the wonderful.

Thu Feb 02, 10:51:00 PM PST  
Anonymous NYC metro inventor said...

Wow... sorry to hear about those who went to LA only to be abused. It seems, by the American Idol model, that in some ways we, America, are at fault. The ratings for the "bloopers" weeks for Idol are HUGE.

Personally, unfortunately, I like them. I don't like when the judges are mean to the contestants. Frankly, it's unnecessary and they are pushing the limits of what people will tolerate. It some ways, they're about to "jump the shark" if they need to be that outright mean.

As far as inventions go, hey, I too would love to see the wacky and crazy inventions. Even if they're unmarketable, they're damn interesting. But again... do they really need to be mean to the contestants? Ask them what their deceased parents would think of them? WTF.

Let's all hope that someone out there is reading this blog who is attached to the show, and when they get into the editing room they take the high road. They stick to the entertainment value built in to the wacky inventions and give credit to their audience for recognizing the wackyness without having to force it by including all the mean, belittling snippets.

Either way, this show is going to be interesting. But if it's too mean... I don't think many legit inventors are going to be going to Season 2 auditions. In other words, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Fri Feb 03, 08:17:00 AM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

I have begun the sponsor ads at our web site. These are sponsors who are either friends or companies I have dealt with first hand. At IU the only people who will be allowed to advertise will be companies who I know of, or companies another trusted inventor highly recommends. None of the "get rich fast - invention scam companies". Please visit these fine advertisers when you get a chance. Some of the topics of discussion with sponsors are "random prizes" for inventors on the list. Let's hope this effort is successful.

The first goal at InventorUnderground.com is to offer a service that helps the inventors gain recognition. Once again the grass roots efforts by the inventors listed is working. Each inventor is sending emails to friends with lists, who then send it to friends with lists. In the first two days of Feb. the site visits have gone past 650. - the invention list page is the most popular page - keep up the good PR!

Also the help of the advertisers has allowed me to lower the site listing fee for the inventor.

http://www.InventorUnderground.com

Fri Feb 03, 09:47:00 AM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Has anyone ever used Bravenet services to build their website? I'm mac based. I'm looking for a website builder/host that doesn't cost that much so I can present my invention in a professional manner.

My domain is through yahoo, but I don't like their site builder. I would be have to transfer it more than likely.

Any help, appreciated.

Fri Feb 03, 10:31:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I also was eliminated in LA but I'm hoping my invention will not only be aired but be aired in a good light. Editing can make a great inventon look like sh!t... if that's what the producers want. BTW:
Is there any reason to exclude the dates on these messages? The time of the day isn't as important.

Fri Feb 03, 10:38:00 AM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

good catch on the date... on changed it so now you can see all the dates.

FYI - I started this blog on January 12, 2006.

I started the blog counter on Feb 1, 2006.

I'm still figuring out this whole blog/web thing. How to format best, connect with good links, network, point people here, and relevant other sites. Even how to add a google search bar and ads. Bare with. And please...

...fire away with any and all suggestions. This is my work in progress as much as yours.

Fri Feb 03, 12:58:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ABC takes the high road.... Australia Broadcasting Channel - that is.

http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/

Fri Feb 03, 05:20:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

Fri Feb 03, 06:08:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

totally absurd...

sorry I had to delete your post. If you would like me to link to you or place an ad on this site (which I don't yet know how to do other than the google adsense thing), please email me at:
thinkoutsidethecircle@gmail.com or give me a reason for you post and need to link blindly here.
Although the link seems interesting, it is 95% advertisement based, and seems to be a way for you to simply generate clickthroughs.

sorry.

and anyone else who has suggestions and wants to email me... now you've go my email. it may take be a while to reply, my day job keeps me pretty busy.

Sat Feb 04, 07:05:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

During this process we have collected a lot of inventors business cards & e-mail addresses. We are passing along the information for this blog, and for inventor underground. We hope everyone else will do the same, so these sites grow to help us all.

Sat Feb 04, 07:41:00 AM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

I'm not sure who "we" are, but thanks for pointing people to this blog and the Inventor Underground.

If you mean, during the AI audition process... you have collected biz cards and emails... awesome. I have friends who have done the same and are pointing people here.

I can only hope that this site grows for the better for all of us.

Questions to all:
is this format, of one long rolling conversation working for you all? I like that anyone can go back and check out all the previous posts. I have intentionally kept it so that people can post "anonymous". And I have only thus far had to delete one "spam-like" comment.

So... is it working for you.

Yes... From NY. No... from LA.

I'd still love for people to give some location reference when posting. still anonymous, only with a bit of geographic sense to see where people are coming from.

keep on blogging. keep on inventing. and keep on trucking. just don't do all three at the same time.

Sat Feb 04, 12:46:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

Thanks to the donations by puffPAC.com and Qubits.com to InventorUnderground, the first prize ( not meaning the ACTUAL FIRST PRIZE but meaning at least the first prize to be offered) uh... anyway -- The start of the random prize award at Inventor Underground is underway. We at InventorUnderground look forward to any further prize donations that might be made by other sponsors.

Check it out at : InventorUnderground

Our way of making a struggling inventor feel like a winner in March.

Tell a friend!

Sat Feb 04, 01:04:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(from 2 comments above) "We" Are from the Washington DC Auditions. Keep up the great work!

Sat Feb 04, 01:12:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we get the chance to do a radio spot, Would it be ok to mention this website, and AI Underground? (DC)

Sat Feb 04, 01:15:00 PM PST  
Anonymous chameleon guitars said...

From Chameleon Guitars...
In your prize drawing for "Inventor Underground"... We understand about sex & drugs, but are electric guitars considered rock & roll? Does that mean we're out?

Sat Feb 04, 01:23:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All in all...It might not have been a great experience in front of the judges...and they were "clueless" about a lot of things. Remember their reality has changed since they became rich. And yes I believe they are looking for the Multi-million dollar inventions that will be small and extremely easy to market and sell. I thought it was a GRREAT ride. Except for the inventors that would ask you what your invention was and then they DIDN’T tell you what theirs is...Asses. Most of you guys were cool and gracious. Keep trying either with your invention you brought or something new. Creativity is a gift as is life; appreciate what ever anyone does.

Sat Feb 04, 01:23:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

Chameleon, no that description is not literal. Your entry is perfect, I am just trying to get it across I don't want entries that are in bad taste.

Your guitars ROCK! but they can also play the Blues.. Good Luck!

Sat Feb 04, 01:43:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

We might use the term Underground and we blog - but we are not illegal. This is a growing movement of inventors who want to band together to help promote each other. Distribute information about our efforts, it the only right thing to do.

Sat Feb 04, 01:47:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

To the RADIO question a few comments up...
ABSOLUTELY. Any opportunity to promote this site is good for us all.

Sat Feb 04, 05:00:00 PM PST  
Anonymous ny auditionor said...

Question--are you accepting donations for the award? What is the process.

I could not access this blog for the better part of the day...was their technical difficulties with the site? I thought it disappeared like Mary's site. Any way I am so glad to be a part of this forum.

I'm a second rounder --I also pointed many to this site. I just want to do my part in regards to investing in this collaboration.

Sat Feb 04, 09:36:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

Thanks for the generous offer, hang onto that thought for a while... we will set up a paypal for it and others. It might not happen for a week or so.

Isn't that great? This group is going to go places.

Sat Feb 04, 09:44:00 PM PST  
Anonymous dc said...

Here's a thought.
Instead of a random drawing, have each of the inventors (listed on Underground that you have the e-mail addresses for) vote for the one they like the best, ... but you can't vote for your own. Then the winners can't be voted on again until a given number time.

Also you could do best categories. (Most marketable, best website, funniest, etc.)

Sun Feb 05, 07:07:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Chameleon Guitars said...

BTW, we like this format so we can go back & reference to articles and such.

Sun Feb 05, 08:33:00 AM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

dc, that is a good idea. I think it would work to have a vote of the registered peers. Hopefully the prizes will grow and the entries continue to increase, then your idea will work out really well. This way I can post who voted for what, as proof positive of a fair vote.

p.s. I like this format because I know I won't miss a post. It is a good record. If someone really wants to pull a lengthy discussion away from this topic they can mark their post with ******** at the beginning, asking others to join them in another section. This way we all get a heads up that another discussion has been begun somewhere else.

Sun Feb 05, 09:53:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep up the great work. My product will be coming to the website after AI starts.

Memphis, TN

Sun Feb 05, 11:00:00 AM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

InventorUnderground has added a Video PodCast page to the web site, The first episode features a video about Woody Norris the inventor of the AirScooter, one of the advertised products at IU. Hopefully future podcasts will feature other inventors, perhaps YOU.

Until this feed becomes linked to the Apple Store, you will need to cut and paste the URL directly into your iTunes program.

Enjoy!

Sun Feb 05, 11:48:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Am I missing something? I only see 8 inventions listed on Invention Underground.

Sun Feb 05, 03:35:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

Yes, 9,992 more to go. We have lots of lurkers, other have expressed concern over exposing their invention. Like anything good it will take time. This effort started Jan 30th.

Hee is an interesting story online:

http://www.inweekly.net/article.asp?artID=2319

Sun Feb 05, 03:52:00 PM PST  
Anonymous NY Auditioner said...

I personally submitted my product info 3x and I my info never appears in the invention list section. ALSO the history section on the invention list used to be viewable...you could tell where the inventor auditioned and how far they got...not any more. What's going on?

Sun Feb 05, 05:35:00 PM PST  
Anonymous NY METRO AREA said...

Good question. I too liked the history section. What's up?

And what happens as more people sign up. I would hope the listing continues to work in chronological order. Thus, giving those of us who have signed up first front page status.

That said, for those who have signed up, and it hasn't registered through yet, what's up?

Lastly, that would seem to be important since inventorunderground has said:
"-- Mention this Blog and the first 30 people who sign up will have 6 months FREE --

That includes those who have already signed up."

NY Metro...

Sun Feb 05, 06:29:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

Information that pertains to the show AI directly is going to be withheld until the show airs, please continue to submit it for the database. This blog and my web site is venturing into the grey. We don't want to ruin anything for the show or ourselves. InventorUnderground has has several phone discussions with directors and it has been made clear that they don't think that our posting info is funny. When this blog disappeared today, it made me move to pull the info. Paranoid?.. probably, but why should I take the chance. Individuals are free to say what ever they want on their individual web sites.

I will update the database on a schedule that works for me, until I automate it there will be lag time between updates. Your free time does not begin until I post.

Good point about the dates and order of display, I agree with ny metro.

Sun Feb 05, 07:32:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

For those who understand site stats, I have posted the current stats of the InventorUnderground web site on the home page. This grass root effort seems to be working. Please post links on your web site and discussion groups back to this url - http://www.InventorUnderground.com

Can someone analyse the stats between this blog and IU ?

Interesting article about Google PageRank at: TimesONLINE

Mon Feb 06, 10:27:00 AM PST  
Anonymous theworldssmartest said...

Great blog. Thanks for starting it. I wish it much luck.

Would you consider hosting inventor links here directly?

I recently found your blog, auditioned in NYC but, like many, that's where AI story stops for me. But not the inventing part.

Here's my invention page link for anyone who wants to check it out. Personally, I'd like to see our ideas in as many places as possible.

good luck.

www.theworldssmartest.com

Mon Feb 06, 10:28:00 AM PST  
Anonymous i said...

The podcast is now listed with Apple iTunes Store. If anyone has a short, 1 or 2 minute video they would like to post just send it to info@InventorUnderground.com

CLICK HERE FOR PODCAST

Mon Feb 06, 12:32:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

oops

Mon Feb 06, 12:33:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does this mean we can send you our audition?

Mon Feb 06, 01:02:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

Anonymous, I guess you could do that, or a small info-commercial about your product. InventorUnderground won't be doing any post processing, your file needs to be iPod compatible. Just export your video from Quicktime Pro with ( Movie to iPod (320x240)) setting. Keep it to 1 or 2 minutes please. Compress with Zip or Stuffit and email it to info@InventorUnderground.com

Mon Feb 06, 01:27:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Chameleon Guitars said...

We make our guitars ourselves, and would be happy to help any other inventor make there invention themselves. (ie wood, metal, plastic, & paint) We would chat about it in "Inventers Post Questions" side subject on the following link. http://airealitytv.blogspot.com/2006/01/post-questions-and-ask-for-advice-from.html#links

Mon Feb 06, 03:56:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am loving this blog!!! Inventors ROCK!!!

Mon Feb 06, 05:06:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Mon Feb 06, 05:26:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW - that is brutal. Interested to see if other 2nd round people feel the same. I know many we have heard do.

Mon Feb 06, 05:36:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On Thursday, March 16, "American Inventor," an exciting series from Simon Cowell and the producers of "American Idol" about the biggest search ever for America's best new invention, will premiere with a special two-hour installment from 8:00-10:00 p.m., ET, and will air from 9:00-10:00 p.m., ET, as of Thursday, March 23.

from: REALITYTVMAGAZINE

Mon Feb 06, 05:52:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

DAMN! That's one hell of a smackdown on AI at the geocities site mentioned a few comments up.

Listen, I'm not sure what the person in the costume was thinking when they went to round 2, but um.... if they've watched American Idol they might have had an idea.

They could have chose NOT to wear the suit. But hey, then they might not have been on the show. Catch 22.

I by no means condone ripping these people apart or belittling them. Being mean for mean sake is wrong. Trying to get people cry on camera-wrong.

But teasing along the wacky inventors and their inventions... ummmm.... well.... I don't know. What's wacky to one person is inspiring to another. And yeah, it make for good TV. Watercooler talk TV. The "hey, did you see that crazy bouncing three-legged pogostick with rearview mirrors" kind of talk.

Anyway, I'm not too bugged out by the LA audition thing making it seem like it's different cities. We're talking Hollywood here, right?. But compared to American Idol, it seems they're doing things on the cheap for this show. I'm sure getting these "high profile" types to show up for what, 10 days of auditions was WAY too demanding. (Note sarcasm.)

I like to think that in the editing room they'll take the highroad. But then again, maybe they just don't care. And if American Idol and this seasons mean streak is any indication, this show might have jumped the shark before it even gets off the ground.

And that's right, I said it, Idol has jumped the shark.
Repeat, jumped the shark. They have resorted to being mean for mean sake making fun of the way people look etc versus simply telling them they are horrible singers.

Later.

Mon Feb 06, 06:21:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Ex AI Hopeful said...

That geocities link is hilarious! But I don't begrudge the producers at all - we all know "reality TV" isn't really. And they certainly made it clear in the up front disclaimers that they had every right (and apparently every intention)to make fun of the inventors / inventions. Farce or not, I personally think the show will be very entertaining and will make lots of money for the advertisers and producers (who have my respect for that), and probably some of the inventors too.

I also believe some good can come out of this for all of us. I see huge potential in the inventor communities being formed as a result of AI. I have personally had a blast following and contributing to this blog (and Mary's before) and we have already experienced significant increased web traffic from inventorunderground.com, which I expect could explode if it gets some publicity during the show's run.

Mon Feb 06, 06:33:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know you are not concerned about the gag order, but your link could hurt the rest of us. They could try to hit us all with the 5 Mil. for just linking to your web site. The members of this blog want to help each other & move forward with out the TV Show. Your link could jeperdize that. But that's up to the Administrator.

Mon Feb 06, 06:35:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Chameleon Guitars said...

Hey, We are linked to this site! They may not be able to find you, but they can find me, and some of the others here. I for one, can't afford the $5 Million Fine.
You're calling 1st Amendment, but did't you sign the gag order? If you signed... then you gave up that right on this subject.

Mon Feb 06, 06:48:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! There is a lot to consider when you are trying to determine what can or cannot be said. Did we really give up all our rights to discuss the show? I will re-read and take the contract to my attorney for advice.
AI Producers if you are reading this.....Know that you have the power to KILL the inventors "baby" if it is shown adversely. Now I know that this is television, and everyone enjoys humor...infact in LA some people were there just for the "funny factor", but not everyone. In your editing, do the right thing and let America judge whether an invention has merit or not. I auditioned and I am anticipating watching the show with my family and friends. I did not move on, however, I have a couple of deals I am working on with my product. I would love to be able to reference my appearance on the show in confidence without shame.

Tue Feb 07, 06:31:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how i understand the gag order we can talk about our inventions but not the show or other peoples inventions you saw at the show.
and no one should say how they did on the show until it airs.

Tue Feb 07, 07:52:00 AM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

After careful consideration... ( I thought about it for abou 5 seconds) i took the link from geocities off the comments.

Why? Simple. I actually think the show is going to be cool. And if you were belittled in LA for 'REALITY TV" sake, well... oh well.

I hope the show takes the high road. And I have decided to do the same. So... please feel free to write whatever you want on your own sites. that's cool. and if you aren't cool with my taking the link off... i am truly sorry. I hear you. The experience in LA probably sucked for many people. But then again, it may have also been awesome for some, and I doubt they are creating sites to prop the show up.

Ok... enough soap boxing. Agree. Disagree. Whatever. It's gone.

Tue Feb 07, 07:55:00 AM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Calling all inventors... please pass this blog along.

I can't believe the hits we're getting so far. Almost 1000 since I started the counter 8 days ago. Not bad. To all those lurkers, welcome. To the AI production team spys... hola! To each and every one of you who are spreading the word, way to go.

Like I've said before, I'm new to blogging. This is my first. But I'm learning fast. Any and all advice and suggestions are welcome.

I'm thinking of creating a special inventors links section. Would this be useful? It would be free. (I have no idea how I would charge for it - I'm new to this remember) I could link to your site in the sidebar.

Interested? Let me know. With enough response I might just do it. Not to undermine inventorunderground.com in any way. But I've gotten a few emails suggesting it might be useful. You know, the more exposure the better. At least for those who want it.

Take care. And keep on inventing.

Tue Feb 07, 03:39:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Tue Feb 07, 04:09:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

The additional invention list could not hurt, the more the better and the price is not wrong either, if fact I also changed IU to free earlier today. I will ask my advertisers pay for the bandwidth and maintenance.

The show producers must realize that it is not possible to constantly comb this blog, the pro&con posts will get through.

Tue Feb 07, 05:30:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THINK DIFFERENT - the additional links would be great... they will help us ALL get higher google listings. Think about it this way... a 30 second commercial spot on American Idol costs $700K. If I get 15 seconds of being humiliated, and I have good google coverage, and a good web page, that is worth maybe $150K of advertising! Everyone should be thinking this way.

INVENTORUNDERGROUND - your site is GREAT. Keep up the momentum. Everyone please check www.inventorunderground.com. When the show is getting close (March 16) we ALL need to make a big push for coverage any way we can (radio, tv, etc.) WITHOUT violating the confidence or spoiling the show. It would be great if every person using google for American Inventor got www.inventorunderground.com as the 2nd or 3rd listing.

Wed Feb 08, 08:43:00 AM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Hey all...

I've been making some tweaks to the site. Obviously, the google ads kicked in. Hopefully that will also help build traffic. I started a quick poll. And...

...I am adding inventor links in the sidebar. If you want your site listed, let me know by posting in the "cool inventor links" posting. Rather than muddy the conversation up here. I'll check in every now and then, and update the sidebar. For now, I've just stuck to those people who embedded a link into the post.

If you have posted at inventorunderground.com and would like to do so here as well - awesome.

spread the word. my goal is to have this blog thing figured out before the March launch of the show.

Wed Feb 08, 12:15:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

San Francisco Bloggers, here is your chance to see and meet Doug before he becomes a big celebrity.

Doug Hall in S.F.

Wed Feb 08, 10:43:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Ex AI Hopeful said...

I love your thinking Anon3up! I might even be willing to contribute to per click ads if the sites don't reach the top listings. Here's some current yahoo search marketing data on the top searched American Inventor terms. Volume is per month, which I'm sure will soar in March:

Keywords / Search Volume / Top Bid / Est. Clicks* / Est. CPC($) / Est. Cost($)

american inventor / 5,134 / 0.57 / 256 / 0.41 / 104.96
african american inventor / 2,173 / 0.14 / 108 / 0.12 / 12.96
abc american inventor / 231 / - / 11 / 0.10 / 1.10

Wed Feb 08, 10:54:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Anybody know any blogger tricks either with metatags or something else to get top billing on google and search engine crawlers?
I think if the web name was "american inventor" blog it might get more hits, but that's already taken by someone who has linked here. And that's fine. So any tricks out there? The more traffic we build the cooler the site, the more exposure we get etc.

And I'm still waiting for anyone who wants me to link to their invention page in the sidebar. Any takers?

FYI - we have had over 500 unique visitors to the site since Feb 1. We have had on average 15 visitors per day who have been here before. With over 1300 page views. That means this blog is sticky. People keep coming back to check it out througout the day. And that's a good thing.

If we can keep up this trend, by spreading the word about the site, and if I can figure out the whole top ranking thing with google, we will trend towards 2000+ unique visitors that will have visited this site - before the show even airs.

I want to thank all of you for your contributions to what I started on a whim. Now, I'm majorly into it trying to figure out just what I got myself into. My dream. Someone, one of us, gets discovered thanks to this site.

Take care for now.

Thu Feb 09, 02:13:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

InventorUnderground is in this for the long run. This initial AI show will come and go, if it is a success then it will come back for another season. The History Channel will run it's course as will many others. The Underground will still be here to catch the ones who slip through the cracks. Maybe we will have volunteers to placard the next long line on Highland and Hollywood.

The hopes are that IU and AI Forum experience a spike of interest during the release of the show, but that really won't happen without you the inventor. This is a community based effort that needs participation. If you want to increase awareness to to your invention please sign up. If you plan on doing it later after this first invention show airs, then just email to let us know your intentions - or blog it here as anonymous. If you want to do neither then consider broadcasting a chain letter type email to all your friends. It would be helpful to your fellow inventor.

So far according to our hit tracker Inventor Underground has experienced, 10,601 Hits so far in February, with 7,124 files, 1,910 Pages. If somebody is a SEO expert perhaps they can chime in and let us all know what those numbers might mean. One thing I know is that the Makezine.com is the top referrering web page and the they plan to soon place an article about our efforts on their main page, but the bulk of our readers come from random ip addresses which means that email is king. Please keep spreading the URL's of IU and the AI Forum, the first true voice of the independent inventor.

Thu Feb 09, 04:30:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would be more than happy to link my website (currently under construction)to both IU and AI. My hopes are that not only inventors show up, but also companies looking to add a new product to their exisiting line. I got the inventor gene but, unfortunately was skipped in the business entrepreneur department.

My pitch bombed due to nervousness but that in itself may be entertaining. Hopefully they will air portions of my interviews. I only need to be shown using my product and we can skip the actual judging, although if their comments are aired I would love the opportunity to address them on a more equal playing field (my website) so I can defend my product properly without distractions. I'd be exstatic if I get thirty seconds on prime time.

You guys are doing a great thing. I hope you find a way to distance yourselves from the run of the mill snake oil salesmen who regularly take advantage of the proverbial starving inventor. Keep it fresh and keep it real!

Thu Feb 09, 07:32:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

WE MADE IT! - A search for the words Inventor Underground or ABC's American Inventor Underground pulls up our web site as #1 on Google.

Yahoo! er... I mean Google!

Thu Feb 09, 08:16:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

70% of the hits on my website have come from IU!!! This site is awesome. Keep up the good work.

Fri Feb 10, 02:42:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UI: Please remove all posts/content pertaining to next level ideas/contestants.

Fri Feb 10, 04:36:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Chameleon Guitars said...

Thank you for linking us. We will continue to spead the word.

Fri Feb 10, 05:09:00 AM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

Your welcome. My pleasure.

Like you said, spread the word. It can only help. So thanks.

And way to go IU on getting great google ranking. Now if we could only get top ranking when the words "American Inventor" is googled. That would be awesome!

Fri Feb 10, 07:22:00 AM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

anonymous... whoever said to remove posts... 3 posts up.... please email info@InventorUnderground.com with details of which posts, where. Please.

Fri Feb 10, 08:42:00 AM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

Sat Feb 11, 12:28:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Chameleon Guitars said...

On the "links for investors" above, we posted... For those who are trying to get patents or licensing, or marketing promotions... Here are some articles that list places known for scams, and places that seem to be ok.

(Invent-tech, Davison, and Advent, are on their bad list.)

Friends, please be careful with your inventions!

Sat Feb 11, 12:26:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

Yesterday and today Inventor Underground showed up on the first page of listings when you use the search term, ABC's American Inventor. This is the goal we were looking for.

Make: magazine who also has an online magazine has listed us on their blog. THANKS MAKE!! They are credited as the largest URL Reference. All in all, yesterday's site total hits soared to 12,687. I have posted the graphic on the web site.

I am confused why so few inventors have not listed their web pages with us. I know they have a web page yet they don't submit it. What's the sense in having a web page if you don't want to drive traffic to it? Unlike all of the bogus companies that sell spots on their web site to "LIST" your invention, InventorUnderground is actually working because our grass roots style of marketing. Once the ads come out for any of the national TV shows regarding inventions, the site stats will grow faster than you or I know.

We don't want to sound like hawkers, so this will be the last promo type post for additional inventors...

I encourage you to list your invention and take advantage of the upcoming train ride. We need you, in order to create the content the viewers are looking for. Again there is no specific information about your participation with any specific TV show. In fact several inventions never even auditioned. They are just getting a free ride. All aboard!

Sat Feb 11, 01:40:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Again there is no specific information about your participation with any specific TV show. In fact several inventions never even auditioned. They are just getting a free ride. All aboard!"

If I posted my website without mentioning the show or my participation, people would still know which products were rejected, so why watch the show? Freemantle could argue that we are spilling the beans and causing them to lose audience numbers. Remember they are constructing a show for entertainment value. Let's respect that.

Maybe I'll be seen in the background somewhere for like five seconds, (it'll probably be at a time when I wasn't displaying my product)I'd love them to show me being judged, it would be awesome if they showed that and my testimonial. If I show my product here before the show airs even if I'm not talking about the experience, I'll run the risk of them taking the first five million I plan on making.

I don't care if the editing makes me look like an idiot. The product will speak for itself. Besides, the contract says we face the possibility of being humiliated on national tv and we signed an agreement sying we wouldn't talk about the show or participate in blogs, magazines etc.

I love what you guys are doing, but let's not shoot ourselves in the foot. This can be a win-win situation but I don't think anyone should jump the gun. I have a lot to say but don't want to risk hurting the show.I expect you'll have a flood of emails March 16.

ps
How will you be able to tell an inventor was there if their image is not shown?

Sat Feb 11, 05:20:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm confused. If you auditioned and did not move on the contract says you continue to own all right to your invention. And if you did not move on, then unless you reveal inside info about the show you are not breaking the contract. No where does it say that you can not promote your own product. If you auditioned and your product did not move on to the next level, unless you TELL people that how would the world know? If the editors choose to show the "rejected" original auditions, I guess that's their perogative. But as long as you don't tell anyone, you're not breaking any rules. YOU own your idea. Your patent. The right to market it. YOU gave up the right to talk about inside details of the show. So don't tell anyone you auditioned. Or don't tell them that you audioned such and such product. How would anyone know? Even when the show airs, if it's a product you did not audition, no one would know. If it is a product you auditioned, the cats already out of the bag anyway, so you didn't give away any details. That's as long as you don't TELL anyone you auditioned such and such product. Follow.

I think it's total BS that this show has everyone so scared that the product THEY own the rights to, somehow, they don't have the rights to until after the show airs. Total BS. And them coming after 5million because you listed your invention before the show airs. Yeah... right, Just don't break the contract. Don't blog about details of the show. To give away inside info. Go back and RE-READ your contract.

And if you're still afraid, be ready, the moment the show airs to do what you want to do with your invention. Whether it's post it here, somewhere else, or whatever. Just don't give up.

Good luck to all. And for what it's worth, I'm not going to tell you what product I auditioned. Or any inisde details of the show. But I CAN tell you I am actively trying to get it noticed through this site and IU.

Sat Feb 11, 05:57:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

D.C. Audition.
I believe you can say that you auditioned, just don't tell anyone if you're in, or out. Give people a reason to watch the show, by making them wonder if you're going to be on it or not.

Sat Feb 11, 07:23:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I think it's total BS that this show has everyone so scared that the product THEY own the rights to, somehow, they don't have the rights to until after the show airs. Total BS."

It's not so much that I think I'll be sued, I want the show to be a hit. I still haven't signed my rights away, but I did sign to agree with their terms. (which they can change and/or alter any time or way they desire) BS? maybe, but still a legal binding contract.

" Go back and RE-READ your contract. "

Just before going into the LA Design Studio we had to sign a paper, of which we got no copy, had no legal representative, nor enough time to read thoroughly. It was basically a confidentiality agreement. It's the same thing owners of intellectual property (such as copywrited material) would ask anyone to sign before sharing confidential information. No one twisted our arm.

"Just don't give up."

No way! I hope so badly they show my judging and testimonial.

Sat Feb 11, 08:13:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Ex AI Hopeful said...

Anyone who followed Mary's site knows there were plenty of AI applicants that openly publicized thier original callbacks, like the outdoor skates and easy lift snow shovel. I think it's very doubtful they'll be prosecuted by AI. Has any applicants out there that publicly revealed their invention been contacted or told to stop by AI? I know we haven't been. . .

From my interpretation of the contract obligations, as well as comments posted by AI themselves, anyone is free to disclose that they auditioned. Therefore I see nothing wrong with getting some publicity out of it.

Sat Feb 11, 08:55:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Chameleon Guitars said...

Any disclosures before the AI auditions,(ie. local radio & tv appearences), were not problem. Mentioning that we auditioned, also was not a problem. (The info on our web site was "ok'ed" by AI. But they don't want you to disclose your audition results. According to our contact at AI, promoting our invention is not a problem.

Sat Feb 11, 09:26:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In My Opinion:

1. Posting your invention on www.inventorunderground.com doesn't ruin the show. Especially since the web page lists inventions from 3 different shows. Note that humiliated inventors will only be shown for a few seconds. What drama is there to ruin?

2. Posting DETAILS about the shows workings, etc., might subvert the show.

3. Posting info about WHO PROCEEDED to the next level, COULD ruin the show. Comments above about inventions that "moved forward" from the LA auditions are very questionable (and should be removed in my opinion).

5. You can be darn sure that the few (40-ish) people who HAVE moved forward are NOT saying anything.

6. If you had 5 million dollars, you wouldn't have auditioned. Most professionals only make $2 million in their entire LIFETIMES. I don't see how ABC could get 5 million dollars out of you... No judge would put you in the poorhouse for the rest of your life.

7. Now, broadcasting the winner of "Survivor" or "The Bachelor" months in advance really should severely punishable, since the network spends SO much money on this effort. Won't be a problem on A.I., since America will vote the winner live on the last show.

Signed, ...I wish I had an invention!

Sun Feb 12, 12:34:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I don't see how ABC could get 5 million dollars out of you... No judge would put you in the poorhouse for the rest of your life."

The exposure from THAT would be worth ten million!

Sun Feb 12, 08:48:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Promo Commercials on the AIR?

My brother in AZ. told me that he saw a promo commercial for the American Inventor show. He said it sure looked strange...

Sun Feb 12, 12:42:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Strange in what way?

Sun Feb 12, 01:05:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh I think he was seeing the wierd and wacky types, the uncle fester with light bulbs in his mouth, people dressed in costumes, space suits, that sort of thing.

Let's just say it wasn't an interview of Thomas Edison.

Sun Feb 12, 03:43:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just saw a promo towards the end of extreme home makeover. They're definitely taking the low road by highlighting the extremes. That's probably why my judging won't air, I was taking it too seriously.

Sun Feb 12, 05:52:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

things that aired on the promo were:
some cockroach contraption, a hemmoroids thing, some excited people, and some things you wear on your head..thats all i remember...anyone else recollect what was aired.... (it's ok to say, it's public now)

Sun Feb 12, 06:11:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

The commercial with a narrator romancing a few of the great inventions of history saying something like: the lightbulb. the automobile. blah blah blah. And then they cut to the judges and a guy presenting some sort of Cockaroach contraption. It looked like a cockaroach habitrail. And the guy was dressed in a space suit get up. A hemmroid product of some sort where the female judge gasped. A couple of quick cuts from auditions. One of which was round 1 in NYC I believe - aerial shot of the entire group in bleecher seats. A cut of a guy with some sort of hula-hoop contraption dressed in what looked like a speed skater outfit. A quick cut of a woman pulling some sort of beach cooler. A quick cut of a guy running into a room with a suitcase. A couple of cuts of people crying.

I agree, they're warming up the potential viewing audience with the wacky inventions, a bit of the low brow angle. But they probably don't want to give away the good ideas yet.

It should be interesting now that they are airing commercials. I'll try to find a link to it somewhere.

Sun Feb 12, 06:37:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent observation!!!

Convince me why I should list on IU previous to the show airing.

Sun Feb 12, 07:36:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Convince you.... How about:

So google has time to index your posting! Moves your rank up in the case that the show DOES give you 15 seconds, and 10% of America suddenly says...

"HEY! I really like that ANONYMOUSXYZ. I don't care what the judges say! I am going to type 'ANONYMOUSXYZ AMERICAN INVENTOR' into google and see if I can buy one of those."


If you wait too long, people won't be able to find you when you DO air.

Hmmmm.....

Sun Feb 12, 10:57:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

About the post above..... BINGO! Why in the world do you think the guys/gals? at IU after their web site so early and so fast. Good job BTW.

Mon Feb 13, 08:21:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could anyone tell me more about the commercial that viewed ie hemmroid person what that person looked like?????

Mon Feb 13, 11:20:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't you just tell us what you look like, was it you? I know I didn't have any hemmroid product.

Mon Feb 13, 11:56:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Ex AI Hopeful said...

Very glad to see the IU list growing! There really could be hundreds of inventors out there that could benefit from this, so we need to keep spreading the word. I also like the press release and suggest distributing it widely.

As for a reason to submit your invention: Why not? There's no obligationg for AI applicants to stop promoting their ideas unless they make it to the final 9. Also, as previously mentioned, IU doesn't require you to divulge anything about the show. So really, why not?

Mon Feb 13, 09:17:00 PM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The press release is GREAT! Good job.

Tue Feb 14, 04:53:00 PM PST  
Anonymous InventorUnderground said...

This letter was recently received:

Dear IU,

Like everyone else, I have an invention but I need someone to place the product into production. At this point I have only one proto-type that cost me $5,000.00 to have produced.

I auditioned in Atlanta but failed to receive a telephone call for the second round. I have been following your web site.

I am excited about IU but not sure of the next step, in other words I'm not sure how to advertise on www.InventorUnderground.com Need HELP!

Note: I am planning to submit my Invention once AI starts, but I want to be ready!


Answer: Just make and post a web page that explains and displays a picture of your invention and then fill out the form on the IU web site. It's that easy. If you don't know how to create a web page then send images and text explaining your invention to info@InventorUnderground.com and we will quote you a price to build a web page for you.

Tue Feb 14, 10:13:00 PM PST  
Blogger thinkdifferent said...

HELPFUL ADVICE FOR ALL ASPIRING INVENTORS

If you have a product, or patent or whatever, and you want a FREE way to display it to the world, go to BLOGGER.

Just google blogger and follow the simple directions. You can create a blog, which is basically a simple web page. Where it let's you create a POSTING, you would talk about your invention. If you don't want people to COMMENT just turn off the comments in the navigator window.

It's all very simple. You can post photos with just a few clicks, and blogger hosts all the photos for you. Then when you want to display your invention to the world just direct them to your own personal website. www.yourinvention.blogspot.com

It's an easy way to get up and running quickly. Then go out and buy your domain name at yahoo or godaddy.com (yahoo has a 2.99 domain name special) and godaddy has great deals too. They also have webhosting packages you may or may not be interested in down the road.

And don't freak out too much about which site you buy your domain name at. You can always transfer it down the road if necessary.

BUT if you want to get a REAL website up and running quickly, there are also many webhosting companies that have templates you can choose from for FREE. It comes with the cost of them hosting your site. The domain name is often also free too.

A recent site I came across that seems pretty cool is 1and1.com they do webhosting etc. and it's a pretty good deal.

As well, whether it's a blogger site or a website you create and host somewhere else, bravenet.com has lot's of good freebies to add stuff to your blog. I use some of them here, like the counter, and the web poll.

good luck. hope it helps a bit.
and keep on inventing.

Wed Feb 15, 07:35:00 AM PST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A couple of suggestions for Inventor Underground....
Before you send out press releases you might want to tidy up the website a bit. There is no easy access to contact you. You should be able to click on a contact button to be able to email you. Also you might want to remove the "under construction" as it makes it look unfinished and not worth continuing to look at. I know you will be constantly adding, but you want to give the appearance that it is basically set up. One other comment you want your fonts on the front page and spacing, indenting etc to look profressional. I am so excited about joining your website, but I would like it to be a little more polished before I do. (I do understand that you are doing this on the fly in a hurry to get it up and I am thankful that you started this in the first place, but I am sure you want it to be as professional as possible.)Thanks again for all your efforts from all of us.

Thu Feb 16, 07:55:00 AM PST  

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